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October 28, 2009

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eaon

excellent post sir, agree totally.
I'm always saying that the biggest mistake marketers make is looking at situations from their own perspective not their customers (or potential customers). Anyone buying into NUFC is buying into the legendary passion for football in the area so to piss-off NUFC fans from the pov of ignorance is an even bigger sin.

Ciarán

Really interesting post. I think you make good points about the difference between renaming new & existing stadiums. Emirates is already shorthand for Arsenal. But the Newcastle 'Brand' Stadium? Not so much.

Excellent stuff, being shared internally as I type...

Willem van der Horst

Can't believe I read so much theory about football, fans and a stadium. Although it's about advertising I guess.

Interesting post. I guess the important for a brand not to outright re-name is 'not good ROI' because otherwise, take a permanent stake in the place and stick your name on it - even better if it dominates the whole city so no one forgets it's you.

Sure fans will be unhappy and resentful for a while but it's unlikely they'll stop going to the games and the name will change after a while. History is written by the winners and maybe you'll be old one day and tell stories before a game to some youngsters at one of those pubs about how the Newcastle [Brand] Park used to be called St James Park... They won't care that much and be interested in talking about the game at hand. Even better if they involve the fans in the process.

I really don't know much about football or how comparable the situation is but in the case of the Arsenal stadium I'm surprised how fast Emirates is catching up as a name - I've had people correct me several times and say 'Ah yes, you mean the Emirates stadium'.

Sure, your version sounds better and the brand could perhaps get more out of it on the long term but human beings tend to go instant gratification, human beings manage brands, and having your name in big shiny letters on a whole stadium is undeniably attractive.

Let's hope something better than that happens. I'm more worried about just everything being branded everywhere and that just becomes messed up.

Can't wait for the day I'll watch a beautiful sunset somewhere and somehow have an ad message on the horizon telling me 'This beautiful sunset is brought to you by [brand]'

Sam

Excellent post Mark, companies should use sponsorship to bring their offering closer to the community rather than plaster fucking signs everywhere.

I love the stuff Adidas have done with the All Blacks in terms of bringing rugby fans closer to the game and giving them experiences they wouldn't otherwise be able to get. Access and (more) passion. Thems be the money shots baby.

Lyndon Morant

The timing isn't ideal. If stadium naming rights were sold now, the football community would see it as emblematic of financial trauma at the club. A stigma.

Completely agree that a name is more than a name and that a) a brand can't buy the equity of the St. James' park name (because, frankly, that isn't what's for sale) and b) a name is a beginning.

Do you think that if the stadium has major redevelopment work to the extent that it offers a different experience (take the new Wembley, for example) then branding it would work for the fans? Like turning over a new leaf?

Will

I think that the essence of a football club is its fans. The fans support a team largely because of either history or success.

In short, the providence of the club. It's more important in sports than in almost anything else.

So changing the name would have massive implications. I'm not going to talk about the benefits of rebranding; if you call it 'football ground x', you remove a reason for support - a vital pillar - and add a physical mark of the current difficulties.

(Yes, i'm still annoyed we don't play at the Victoria ground).

Anjali Ramachandran

Will, I assume you mean 'provenance', not 'providence'....

Mark, nice one.

sel

all bollocks chap, they'll do what they like and everyone will swallow it, no amount of bleeding blogging will ultimately affect the gate in the longer term - marketing is about money not emotion, there are always ways.
How about Newcastle Breweries - The Newcastle Brown Arena....they're closing the Fed brewery in 2010 - 'The Newcastle Federation Stadium' would therefore reflect the heritage of the region & blah, not many could object...could have the 'Dog' End terrace - do they still have terraces? guess not.
Greggs Park? - free sausage rolls at half time would shut you up now wouldn't it - I know you ex veggies...

love, uncle angry anti-marketing bloke x

David Norris

I don't know about this one. I understand that it must be very hard to look at this from a passionate Geordie perspective. You love your club, you love your history and you love your ground.

I have been to a couple of matches, and both times the atmosphere has been amazing. No matter what the place is called the atmosphere will still be there, and still hold true, your history in the black and white shirts (which you could never lose - I understand that one!).

I guess it becomes most interesting when you think about the value back to the club, and therefore the fans by doing this. If Ashley jumps into bed with the first brand that comes calling then he will get into trouble.

However, a strategic partnership that goes beyond the pure naming rights offers great potential. If it was a local brand then maybe that would work even better...

If a big money deal can be done, that enables extra financial stability to your club, and is done with thought then I think you boys would grow to love it - especially if you actually won something.

I know the pain of having your home ground sold from under you (Brighton fan), and if this means your club gets stability, hopefully launches as you emerge back in the Premier League then why the hell are you complaining?!

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